Wonderful to discuss PLAN E with the insightful Vivian Langford on "The Climate Action Show" podcast!
Thanks to 3CR for the opportunity!
Recording here: https://www.3cr.org.au/climateaction/episode/recalibrating-military-disarm%C2%A0-climate-hyperthreat%C2%A0-and-its-fossil-allies
The discussion is interspersed with music and some other features over an hour...